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ProwlerGTS	Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXtOUbn8RpU --RS This message has been edited by ProwlerGTS on 10-20-2013 at 02:18 PM
treyb	Nice one Ron thanks for coming out And taking the Picts It's not everyday that you actually get great video and Picts of your actual car driving The only bad thing on this pass was that I pulled out behind a trailer. Should have waited a bit more! The other gopro videos you shot from the mini camera car where also cool Mini follow the Hemi Kat view Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/MpTMudVhHH4 Your low from the bumper ground view was also a very cool idea Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/3HxTnbxZi2s Then the normal drive behind. View Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/dJT71JOK1Wc I guess I understand better how they cool shot an actual car commercial from this space with a serious camera car. Thanks again This message has been edited by treyb on 10-20-2013 at 04:55 PM
Gort	How about some information. Since everyone that I know wishes they had the V-8 instead of the V-6 what I'd like to know is cost. Don't want any exact numbers and I realize that huge amount of time and experimenting that went on to get this result, but in round numbers what would it cost to convert a stock Prowler like mine to the V-8? I know I have no idea about the cost since this a rare changeover. Not counting the cost of the complete engine just the specialty items that had to be made and install costs. $10k,20k,30k,etc. more?
JRL	quote: Originally posted by Gort: [B]How about some information. Since everyone that I know wishes they had the V-8 instead of the V-6 what I'd like to know is cost. If you have to ask.......
beachcat	Gort, you are looking in the $30K range. A heck of a lot less if you can do it yourself.
Gort	quote: Originally posted by JRL: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Gort: [B]How about some information. Since everyone that I know wishes they had the V-8 instead of the V-6 what I'd like to know is cost. If you have to ask....... [/QUOTE] You're probably right, but at some price I might consider it.
Gort	quote: Originally posted by beachcat: Gort, you are looking in the $30K range. A heck of a lot less if you can do it yourself. The bellhousing would be a problem without a duplicate or pattern or blueprint. I'm sure the computer redesign would also be another problem.
treyb	I don't speak about price but I will say I think I got pretty lucky. All I can say its a partnership with you and the builder and nothing Is easy or guarenteed. I watched, was deeply involved and saw this whole thing go down over like a 16 month period. Made many trips! Did a ton of personal testing. Worked closely with the builder and even though not a mechanic know a ton now about the prowler and conversion process. So much is hand built and I say who ever you partner with to do it is not going to make a ton of money. If your new to the build the Allpar article is a great summary! http://www.allpar.com/fix/engines/SRT-Prowler-project.html I can't even tell you how many hours they spent. There is no manual or instruction guide for a 1 off car or anyone a builder can call. It's trial and error! It's a a custom car. Nothing guarenteed I have over 2650 personal miles so far the first year and love every mile and yes I keep a spare custom transmission on the shelf just in case and on #2. I drive it smart, I know the car well since I was involved in every step of the build with performance innovations as well as did a ton of research going in. Like many of you all I always heard about all of these custom builds, would see a bunch cool build pictures but then what they would disappear. Rarely do you see guys really drive them come out to events, push them on a track or keep everyone posted long term. (this is how I felt for years, always wondered and never could understand the whole thing! If you listen close in the video you may notice I'm manually shifting the whole time since it's aggressive driving. My car has 3 computers! I learned how it drive it now! I mean your talking over 430hp and 425 ft lbs to torque. my v6 with alot of work never got pass 196hp to the wheels. I bearly need to use even 1/2 the throttle with a 6.1 Hemi prowler and flying! I'm not a Rich guy just a middle class prowler owner like many of you with 2 little kids had a dream, loved the car a lot took a big risk and it paid off. Unlike many other top secret projects I put very aspect, pain, set back and success online here so folks could see the real deal. Here is is that play by play over a 1 year long post. Over 10 pages http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/003447.html Before going there like many of you I looked at every option and like wondered if it could be done. Can it yes! Is it perfect and can you use all of the power no! Would I do it again yes! And I love driving every miles with a big smile on my face. After all I learned and have seen, I don't think you will see another one like this one! That hood alone took over 3.5 months. Thanks again to all for your support. You can Pm, call me whatever I will share all that I know and have learned. I will quote a wise guy named Edkat. Who one sunny Florida day took me on a ride in his 5.0 prowler! I never understood how he had over 100k miles on a custom car! Why all of those 5.0 guys would wait over a year to get dean to build a car and spend so much money. I was next on the 5.0 list at the time! He said to me it's about "miles of smiles". That day changed everything about a thrilling prowler experience I joined the Go fast prowler club It's awesome!!! Best of both worlds! Think SRT challenger minus 1500 lbs and rock star hot rod looks! And yes this one drives! From the mountain cruise to a full blown track day on a real racetrack or standing in front of 1000's as an invitational show car by SRT/Chrysler or a customs car show in ! Cars are meant to be driven and enjoy it! You can see the whole dodge interview and story here From the car reveal at Chrysler nationals with Srt and Steve mags from speed! Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/NqxkDHOoebQ Prowl on!! I'm So glad I kept the prowler and followed dream!! One of the best cars out there and great people like everyone here! All go fast prowler guys I have met are a bit different. You have to really love the car a lot, be a bit of a risk taker, save up a bit and willing to wait to get a big goal! I joined the club and still smiling! I think I'm good for the next 12 yrs! I'm sure there will be much more twists and turns to the story All of daily updates and fun 1200 likes strong at www.facebook.com/hemiprowler This message has been edited by treyb on 10-20-2013 at 07:22 PM
padroo	Trey, did you ever check the weight of the car with the Hemi installed?
Gort	Thanks for the reply. I would never take a nice prowler and try something that had never been done like yours without KNOWING that it had all worked out in the past. I admire your courage. Glad it turned out to be a super nice car. I was just interested that maybe the builder would do another one if the price was reasonable.16 months is a long project,maybe he's as glad as you are that it's finished ..smiles The bellhousing alone looks difficult to make. The builder is pretty talented.
treyb	quote: Originally posted by padroo: Trey, did you ever check the weight of the car with the Hemi installed? Curb weight of stock prowler is around 2800. i dont think the Hemi Kat is much more than 2900. It flies! I bearly use 1/4 of the throttle/pedal which is has been custom converted to electronic also to work with hemi computer! [/URL] Its very very different than before and will bite you quick it not driven smart. Just think about this a SRT Challenger weighs Curb Weight: 4140 lbs SRT Jeep 4,788 lbs Stock prowler 253 HP and 255 TQ Hemi prowler with 6.1 srt engine 425hp and 420tq before any mods! Just think about that for a minute! It means drive smart!! All I can really say its very very different! My 3.5 engine after being pulled [ New 6.1 Hemi SRT one going in! [/URL] notice any differences?? This message has been edited by treyb on 10-20-2013 at 07:41 PM
treyb	quote: Originally posted by Gort: Thanks for the reply. I would never take a nice prowler and try something that had never been done like yours without KNOWING that it had all worked out in the past. I admire your courage. Glad it turned out to be a super nice car. I was just interested that maybe the builder would do another one if the price was reasonable.16 months is a long project,maybe he's as glad as you are that it's finished ..smiles The bellhousing alone looks difficult to make. The builder is pretty talented. You mean this little thing! Your right! I call it more like a Mona Lisa of hand welded art work!! Funny thing was the 2 guys at Performance innovation did pretty much the whole car in house including all of this hand welding Pictured here is our custom bell-housing engine adapter to adapt the 6.1 Hemi engine to accept the prowler style drive shaft. The rear engine mount is also integrated into the bell-housing. This message has been edited by treyb on 10-20-2013 at 08:56 PM
StingRay	Really cool, Trey ... thanks for sharing as much as you have on this labor of love! Congrats on the final enjoyment too.
Gort	I agree. Good job all the way around.
treyb	quote: Originally posted by Gort: Thanks for the reply. I would never take a nice prowler and try something that had never been done like yours without KNOWING that it had all worked out in the past. I admire your courage. Glad it turned out to be a super nice car. I was just interested that maybe the builder would do another one if the price was reasonable.16 months is a long project,maybe he's as glad as you are that it's finished ..smiles The bellhousing alone looks difficult to make. The builder is pretty talented. Gort I think the 2 years before I pulled the trigger I contacted every builder or owner that would get back to me or still in business about go fast prowler options. On the Hemi most said they got it done, was far from easy but didn't want to do it again. When I called Brendan on my side was passionate. Did one before people didn't think it was possible and he wanted to try again at the time. Again timing is also everything. I think he has done the most as well as built 10 plus custom 42le Trans for other shops but from everything I saw not easy and every car especially since all prowlers are hand built are a bit different and every owners design a bit different. A few cars later not sure. Think of this a supercharger kit installed bolt in kit for a challenger with instructions done well will run you 10k in less than a month out of a box with some tuning If your a shop that wants to stay in business what would you do? Build a prowler? And roll the dice ? How much could you actually charge To make some money and guarentee your work. It takes a special type of passionate person. Like the guy below Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/cf7ZZKykfJ8 Or maybe this guy Mike K, prowler passion to the extreme This site and even a ton of support for my project. Thanks for "the back up plan it works and running well" http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010465.html And many of the other go fast prowler pioneers you have seen on this site! Every story, every builder that made it work it was personal and you will see passion in the project, work and final product that money cannot buy! I will say what a wise man named dean told me a long time ago. "There is nothing easy, fast , or simple going fast in a prowler." The first 25 hp that makes you think or feel like your going faster is not that hard (gears,headers, intake etc) after that your into big bucks. In 2013 many of these things are not even made any more. The 5.0 looked bolt in but at onekat will share still is very custom and one off. If someone had figured out a affordable and reliable option would have been done about 12 years ago. Low volume cars with many people that do not even drive them much means little to no aftermarket support. You can't make money on it and many that did it was more in it for passion than funds but you cannot run a business like that long term! Paxton a well know supercharger company with a ton of Rd and aftermarket only did a limited run and if you call them now they won't even talk about it or service ya. Tells you something If you have a dream follow it. But do your homework, be involved, double the time that anyone tells you, and stay involved and don't be cheap. If you just want to go fast cruise your prowler and turn heads and buy a very fast Mopar, srt, Camaro or mustang or Vette on the side and get you need for speed fix! A lot of them out there with easy bolt in parts that anyone will install!! This message has been edited by treyb on 10-21-2013 at 06:45 AM
treyb	quote: Originally posted by ProwlerGTS: Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXtOUbn8RpU --RS Ron by the way thanks for joining us this weekend and starting this thread You got me talking again! By the way I must have 1000 of pictures of my Kat! This one here you took at the hawks nest is one of the best! It shows everything thing this build is about visually in much less words than I can type thanks!